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The conversation of Abdullah bin Amr (may Allah be pleased with him) with the people of Iraq about narrating hadith
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Hadith Number: 8832
اخبرنا احمد بن عثمان المقرئ وبكر بن محمد المروزي قالا: حدثنا ابو قلابة، حدثنا عبد الصمد بن عبد الوارث، حدثنا ابي، حدثنا حسين بن ذكوان، حدثنا عبد الله (2) بن بريدة الاسلمي، ان سليمان بن ربيعة الغبري (3) حدثه: انه حج مرة في إمرة معاوية ومعه المنتصر بن الحارث الضبي في عصابة من قراء اهل البصرة، قال: فلما قضوا نسكهم قالوا: والله لا نرجع إلى البصرة حتى نلقى رجلا من اصحاب محمد ﷺ مرضيا، يحدثنا بحديث يستطرف نحدث به اصحابنا إذا رجعنا إليهم، قال: فلم نزل نسال حتى حدثنا ان عبد الله بن عمرو بن العاص نازل باسفل مكة، فعدنا إليه، فإذا نحن بثقل عظيم (4) يرتحلون ثلاث مئة راحلة، منها مئة راحلة ومئتا زاملة، فقلنا: لمن هذا الثقل؟ قالوا: لعبد الله بن عمرو، فقلنا: اكل هذا له، وكنا نحدث انه من اشد الناس تواضعا؟ قال: فقالوا: ممن انتم؟ فقلنا: من اهل العراق، قال: فقالوا: العيب منكم حق يا اهل العراق، اما هذه المئة راحلة، فلإخوانه يحملهم عليها، واما المئتا زاملة، فلمن نزل عليه من الناس، قال: فقلنا: دلونا عليه، فقالوا: إنه في المسجد الحرام. قال: فانطلقنا نطلبه حتى وجدناه في دبر الكعبة جالسا، فإذا هو قصير ارمص (1) اصلع بين بردين وعمامة ليس عليه قميص، قد علق نعليه في شماله، قال: فقلنا: يا عبد الله، إنك رجل من اصحاب محمد ﷺ، فحدثنا حديثا ينفعنا الله تعالى به بعد اليوم، قال: فقال لنا: ومن انتم؟ قال: فقلنا له: لا تسال من نحن، حدثنا غفر الله لك، قال: فقال: ما انا محدثكم شيئا حتى تخبروني من انتم، قلنا: وددنا انك لم تنقدنا واعفيتنا وحدثتنا بعض الذي نسالك عنه، قال: فقال: والله لا احدثكم حتى تخبروني من اي الامصار انتم، قال: فلما رايناه حلف ولج، قلنا: فإنا ناس من العراق، قال: فقال: اف لكم كلكم يا اهل العراق، إنكم تكذبون وتكذبون وتسخرون، قال: فلما بلغ السخري (2)، وجدنا من ذلك وجدا شديدا، قال: فقلنا: معاذ الله ان نسخر من مثلك، اما قولك: الكذب، فوالله لقد فشا في الناس الكذب وفينا، واما التكذيب فوالله إنا لنسمع الحديث لم نسمع به من احد نثق به، فإذا نكاد نكذب به، واما قولك: السخري، فإن احدا لا يسخر بمثلك من المسلمين، فوالله إنك اليوم لسيد المسلمين فيما نعلم نحن، إنك من المهاجرين الاولين، ولقد بلغنا انك قرات القرآن على محمد ﷺ، وانه لم يكن في الارض قرشي ابر بوالديه منك، وانك كنت احسن الناس عينا فافسد عينيك البكاء، ثم لقد قرات الكتب كلها بعد رسول الله ﷺ، فما احد افضل منك علما في انفسنا، وما نعلم بقي من العرب رجل كان يرغب عن فقهاء اهل مصره حتى يدخل إلى مصر آخر يبتغي العلم عند رجل من العرب غيرك، فحدثنا غفر الله لك، فقال: ما انا بمحدثكم حتى تعطوني موثقا الا تكذبوني ولا تكذبون علي ولا تسخرون، قال: فقلنا: خذ علينا ما شئت من مواثيق، فقال: عليكم عهد الله ومواثيقه ان لا تكذبوني ولا تكذبون علي ولا تسخرون لما احدثكم، قال: فقلنا له: علينا ذاك، قال: فقال: إن الله تعالى به عليكم كفيل ووكيل؟ فقلنا: نعم، فقال: اللهم اشهد عليهم. ثم قال عند ذاك: اما ورب هذا المسجد والبلد الحرام واليوم الحرام والشهر الحرام - ولقد استسمنت اليمين اليس هكذا؟ قلنا: نعم، قد اجتهدت - قال: ليوشكن بنو قنطوراء بن كركرى - قوم خنس الانوف صغار الاعين، كان وجوههم المجان المطرقة - في كتاب الله المنزل ان يسوقوكم (1) من خراسان وسجستان سياقا عنيفا، قوم يوفون اللمم (2)، وينتعلون الشعر، ويحتجزون السيوف على اوساطهم (3)، حتى ينزلوا الابلة، ثم قال: [وكم الابلة] (4) من البصرة؟ قلنا: اربع فراسخ، قال: ثم يعقدون بكل نخلة من نخل دجلة راس فرس، ثم يرسلون إلى اهل البصرة: ان اخرجوا منها قبل ان تنزل عليكم، فيخرج اهل البصرة من البصرة، فيلحق لاحق ببيت المقدس، ويلحق آخرون بالمدينة، ويلحق آخرون بمكة، ويلحق آخرون بالاعراب (5)، فلا يبقى احد من المصلين إلا قتيلا واسيرا يحكمون في دمه ما شاؤوا. قال: فانصرفنا عنه وقد ساءنا الذي حدثنا، فمشينا من عنده غير بعيد، ثم انصرف المنتصر بن الحارث الضبي فقال: يا عبد الله بن عمرو قد حدثتنا فظعتنا (1) فإنا لا ندري من يدركه منا، فحدثنا: هل بين يدي ذلك علامة؟ فقال عبد الله بن عمرو: لا تعدم عقلك، نعم بين يدي ذلك امارة، قال المنتصر بن الحارث: وما الامارة؟ قال: الامارة: العلامة، قال له: وما تلك العلامة؟ قال: هي إمارة الصبيان، فإذا رايت إمارة الصبيان قد طبقت الارض، اعلم ان الذي احدثك قد جاء. قال: فانصرف عنه المنتصر فمشى قريبا من غلوة (2) ثم رجع إليه، قال: فقلنا له: علام تؤذي هذا الشيخ من اصحاب رسول الله ﷺ؟ فقال: والله لا انتهي حتى يبين لي، فلما رجع إليه بينه (3).
هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد على شرط مسلم، ولم يخرجاه.
[التعليق - من تلخيص الذهبي] ترقيم العلميه 8618 - على شرط مسلم
Sulayman bin Rabi'ah al-Ghubari narrates that he once performed Hajj during the caliphate of Sayyiduna Mu'awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him), and with him were al-Muntasir bin al-Harith al-Dabbi and a group of Qur'an reciters from the people of Basrah. He said: When the people had completed their rites, they said: "By Allah! We will not return to Basrah until we meet a Companion of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who is well regarded (and trustworthy), who will narrate to us some remarkable hadith that we can narrate to our companions when we go back." He says: We kept asking until we were told that Abdullah bin Amr bin al-As (may Allah be pleased with them both) was staying in the lower part of Makkah. We went to him, and there we saw a very large caravan (of baggage), in which three hundred mounts were ready to set off; of them, one hundred were riding mounts and two hundred were baggage camels. We asked: "Whose baggage is this?" The people said: "Abdullah bin Amr's." We said: "Is all of this his, although we were told that he is the most humble of people?" The people asked: "Who are you?" We said: "From the people of Iraq." They said: "O people of Iraq! Finding fault is truly your way. (The fact is that) these hundred riding mounts are for his brothers, whom he gives to ride on them, and the two hundred baggage camels are for the people who stay with him as guests." We said: "Take us to him." They said: "He is in the Sacred Mosque." So we went looking for him until we found him sitting at the back of the Ka'bah. He was short, his eyes were watering and he had no hair on his head; he was dressed in two sheets and a turban and was not wearing a shirt, and he had hung his sandals in his left hand. We said: "O Abdullah! You are a Companion of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), so narrate to us a hadith by which Allah Almighty will benefit us after today." He asked us: "And who are you?" We said: "Do not ask who we are; may Allah forgive you, narrate a hadith to us." He said: "I will not narrate anything to you until you tell me who you are." We said: "We would have liked you not to criticise us, to excuse us, and to narrate to us some of what we asked you about." He said: "By Allah! I will certainly not narrate to you until you tell me which cities you are from." When we saw that he had sworn an oath and was insisting, we said: "We are people from Iraq." He said: "Shame on all of you, O people of Iraq! You lie, you deny the truth and you mock." When he mentioned mockery, it grieved us greatly. We said: "Allah forbid that we should mock a person like you. As for your saying about lying, by Allah, lying has spread among the people and among us. As for denying, by Allah, we hear a hadith that we have not heard from anyone we trust, and we come close to denying it. And as for your saying about mockery, no one among the Muslims mocks a person like you, for by Allah, as far as we know, you are today the leader of the Muslims. You are among the first Muhajirun, and it has reached us that you read the Qur'an to Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) (that is, learned it from him), that there is no Qurayshi on the face of the earth more dutiful to his parents than you, and that you had the most beautiful eyes of all people but weeping ruined your eyes. Then after the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) you read all the (revealed) books, so in our view there is no one superior to you in knowledge. And we do not know of any man remaining among the Arabs for whom people leave the jurists of their own city and go to another city seeking knowledge from him, other than you. So, may Allah forgive you, narrate a hadith to us." He said: "I will not narrate a hadith to you until you give me a firm covenant that you will not deny me, will not lie against me, and will not mock." We said: "Take from us whatever covenant you wish." He said: "Upon you is the covenant of Allah and His pledges that you will not deny me in what I narrate to you, will not lie against me and will not mock." We said: "That is binding upon us." He asked: "Is Allah Almighty a guarantor and trustee over you in this?" We said: "Yes." He said: "O Allah, be a witness over them." Then at that point he said: "Listen! By the Lord of this Mosque, this sacred city, this sacred day and this sacred month! (And I have made the oath very firm, have I not? We said: Yes, you have made every effort.) He said: Soon the Banu Qantura bin Karkara, a people with flat noses and small eyes, whose faces are as if they were layered shields, as is in the revealed Book of Allah, will drive you out of Khurasan and Sijistan with great violence. They are a people who will wear their hair down to their earlobes, wear sandals of hair and tie their swords around their waists, until they come and settle at al-Ubullah (a place near Basrah)." Then he asked: "How far is al-Ubullah from Basrah?" We said: "Four farsakhs." He said: "Then they will tie the head of a horse to every palm tree of the Tigris, then they will send word to the people of Basrah: Leave it before they fall upon you. So the people of Basrah will leave Basrah; some of them will reach Bayt al-Maqdis, some will reach Madinah, some will go to Makkah, and some will join the Bedouins (A'rab). Then none of those who pray will remain except that he will be either killed or a captive, about whose blood they will decide as they please." The narrator says: We returned from him, and this hadith grieved us greatly. We had gone only a short distance from him when al-Muntasir bin al-Harith al-Dabbi turned back and said: "O Abdullah bin Amr! You have narrated to us a hadith that has terrified us, and we do not know which of us will live to see it. So tell us, will there be any sign before this event?" Abdullah bin Amr said: "Do not lose your mind. Yes! Before it there will be an amarah." Al-Muntasir bin al-Harith asked: "What is the amarah?" He said: "Amarah means a sign." He asked: "What is that sign?" He said: "It is the rule (leadership) of boys. So when you see that the rule of boys has covered the earth, then know that what I have told you has arrived." He says: Al-Muntasir came away from him and walked about the distance of an arrow's flight, then went back to him again. We said to him: "Why are you troubling this old man, a Companion of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)?" He said: "By Allah! I will not desist until he makes it clear to me." So when he went back to him, he made it clear to him. This hadith has a sahih (authentic) chain of narration on the condition of Imam Muslim, but the two Shaykhs (Bukhari and Muslim) did not record it.


تخریج الحدیث: «إسناده محتمل للتحسين، من أجل سليمان بن الربيع فقد انفرد ابن بريدة بالرواية عنه، وذكره ابن حبان في "ثقاته"» [ترقيم الرساله 8832] [ترقيم الشركة 8721] [ترقيم العلميه 8618]
Takhrij and Tahqiq of Hadith No. 8832 of Al Mustadrak ala al‑Sahihayn
by Shaykh Adil Murshid, Dr. Ahmad Barhoum, Dr. Muhammad Kamil Qarah Balli and Dr. Sa'id al-Lahham
Hadith-science notes and terminology
Note / Clarification: Manuscripts (Z), (K) and (B) have "'Ubayd Allah" (in the diminutive form), which is wrong; the correction is from (M). No son of Buraydah named 'Ubayd Allah is known.
(2) في (ز) و (ك) و (ب): عبيد الله، مصغرًا، وهو خطأ، والتصويب من (م). ولا يعرف لبريدة ولد اسمه عبيد الله.
Note / Clarification: This is how his name appears in the manuscripts, whereas the correct form is "Sulayman bin al-Rabi' al-'Adawi", as in al-Bukhari's "al-Tarikh al-Kabir" (4/12), "al-Jarh wa al-Ta'dil" (4/117) and "Thiqat Ibn Hibban" (4/309).
(3) هكذا وقع اسمه في النسخ الخطية، والصواب أنه: سليمان بن الربيع العدوي، كما في "التاريخ الكبير" للبخاري 4/ 12، و "الجرح والتعديل" 4/ 117، و "ثقات ابن حبان" 4/ 309.
Note / Clarification: "al-thaqal": the traveller's baggage and his servants and retinue.
(4) الثَّقَل: متاع المسافر وحشمه.
Note / Clarification: "al-ramas": the white dirt that collects in the corners of the eye.
(1) الرَّمَص: وسخ أبيض يجتمع في زوايا العين.
Note / Clarification: "al-sukhri" (with a dammah or kasrah on the sin): mockery (ridicule).
(2) السّحْريّ، بضم السين وكسرها: السُّخرِيَة.
Note / Clarification: The manuscripts have "yasuqunakum" (retaining the nun), whereas the correct form is (without the nun).
(1) في النسخ الخطية: يسوقونكم، بإثبات النون، والجادّة بإسقاطها.
Note / Clarification: "limam" is the plural of "limmah": hair that goes beyond the earlobe.
(2) جمع لِمَّةٍ: وهي الشَّعر الذي يجاوز شحمة الأُذن.
Note / Clarification: I.e. they tie them around their waists.
(3) أي: يشدُّونها على أوساطهم.
Note / Clarification: This addition is from "Talkhis al-Dhahabi".
(4) زيادة من "تلخيص الذهبي".
Note / Clarification: In al-Dhahabi's "Talkhis al-Mustadrak" there is this addition here: "He said: So they will stay in Basra for a year, then they will send word to the people of Kufa: Leave it before we come down upon you. So the people of Kufa will leave it; some will go to Bayt al-Maqdis, some to Madinah, others to Makkah and others to the Bedouins". It is not in any of our manuscripts!
(5) هنا زيادة في "تلخيص المستدرك" للذهبي، ما نصه: "قال فينزلون البصرة سنة، ثم يرسلون إلى أهل الكوفة: أن اخرجوا منها قبل أن ننزل عليكم، فيخرج أهل الكوفة منها، فيلحق لاحق ببيت المقدس، ولاحق بالمدينة، وآخرون بمكة، وآخرون بالأعراب"، وليست في شيء من نسخنا الخطية!
Note / Clarification: The manuscripts differ over the dotting of this word; the most fitting for this context is what we have established ("fazi'"). One says: "fazu'a al-amr fa-huwa fazi'", i.e. the matter became severe and ugly and exceeded bounds.
(1) اختلف إعجام هذه الكلمة في النسخ الخطية، وأنسب شيء لهذا المقام ما أثبتناه، يقال: فَظْعَ الأمرُ فهو فَظيع، أي: شديد شنيع جاوز المقدار.
Note / Clarification: "al-ghalwah": the distance of one arrow-shot.
(2) الغلوة: قدر رمية بسهمٍ.
Grading: Its chain admits the possibility of being graded "hasan" (i.e. it may be hasan) on account of Sulayman bin al-Rabi', because Ibn Buraydah alone narrates from him, and Ibn Hibban mentioned him in his "al-Thiqat".
Reference / Source: This report has already appeared in abridged form under no. (8742) by way of Qatadah from 'Abd Allah bin Buraydah. Its basis is from 'Abd Allah bin 'Amr (may Allah be pleased with them both) and is "sahih", as was explained under the earlier narration no. (8627).
(3) إسناده محتمل للتحسين من أجل سليمان بن الربيع فقد انفرد ابن بريدة بالرواية عنه، وذكره ابن حبان في "ثقاته". وهذا الخبر سلف مختصرًا برقم (8742) من طريق قتادة عن عبد الله بن بريدة. وأصله عن عبد الله بن عمر و صحيح كما سبق بيانه عند الرواية السالفة برقم (8627).